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Whitefish Working Group

 

Flathead Community Working Group

 

Swan Lake Working Group

 

Flathead Forestry Project Working Group

 

WHITEFISH WORKING GROUP FOR FOREST PLAN REVISION

ATTENDEES ( This is a list of all attendees at all meetings; most attendees did not attend all meetings.)

Harm Toren, Raymond Shupert, Gene Lamb, Bob Lawson, Jerry O’Neil, Garmen Meadows, Miles Erickson, Thad Briggs, Ed Mikulecky, Reuben Schoeder, Ben Thompson, Anna Haney, Richard Haney, Kerrie Byrne, Floyd Quiram, Chuck Roady, Dave Skinner, Clarence Taber, Rita Hall, Gary Hall. Bill Beck, Malcolm Thompson, , Peter Crites, Rick Anderson, Patrick Sullivan, Mike Benson, Leo Gallis, Joe Shupert, Steve McComb, Miles Erickson, Tony Gangemi, Jeff Bailey, Rich Walter, Jay Crowley, Matt Magstadt, Dick Nelson, Carol Nelson, Marvin Stevenson, Ward McCartney, Jeff Clausen, Jeff Littfin, Eric Hosek, Gary Cockrell, Kathleen Hansen, Christina Eisenberg, Gary Sloan, Mary Sloan, David Keith, Fred Heim, Megan Morris, Dave Hadden

Also, USFS representatives, Denise Germann, Ken Meckel, Marsha Moore, Lisa Krueger, Rob Carlin

ISSUE STATEMENTS FOR DESIRED FUTURE CONDITIONS AND ACTIONS

1) It was re-iterated and agreed upon that a super majority of 70% is necessary for group approval of any motions. Minority opinions may be presented and will be recorded in notes.

This was a unanimous vote. April 28, and reiterated on May 3

ACCESS

2) The forest plan should have separate sets of alternatives for each forest.

The group voted 17 in favor, 1 no, 1 abstain. No minority opinion expressed. May 3

3) Current forest plan amendments are to NOT be carried forward. The entire forest plan is subject to change.

The vote was fully unanimous. May 3

4) Roads should not be obliterated.

The vote was fully unanimous. May 3

5) All roads will be maintained at BMP standards.

It was unanimous. May 3

6**) No net loss of miles of open roads.

Reverse the trend to be one of opening roads.

Use seasonal and rotational closures.

The vote was super majority, 21 for, one member opposed, one member with some reservations or questions. 

7) Since OHV use is a legitimate recreational use for forest land and the demand for access to the forest for OHV use is increasing, FNF should plan for this increased use to minimize environmental damage and overcrowding while maximizing the recreational experience of all users.

Vote of 24 eligible voters = 17 yes, 5 no ( 2 undecided out of 24 total. This meets the 70% majority rule and the vote passes.

8) Subcommittee to come up with suggested areas for cross-country use and trails for OHV.

Vote was unanimous, all 24 members in favor. The subcommittee will consist of Clarence, Thad, Patrick, Matt. May 17

9) Roads and trails covered by a special use permit or that may qualify as RS 2477 will not be closed although they may be modified to mitigate for environmental damage as long as reasonable access is still allowed.

Super Majority voted for, with 3 opposed.  May 24

10) Carry over all access from the current forest plan in 2B areas for motorized access in the new forest plan, and identify them.

17 for, 3 opposed, and 2 with questions or reservation.  May 24

11) We wish to see snowmobiling continue on Flathead National Forest. In order to assure future access for snowmobilers there should be no net loss of designated trail or play areas for snowmobiling. If trails or areas must be closed for any reason, they will be re-opened by cutting or be replaced by other areas or trails of equal size and value in the same general area for the snowmobiling recreational experience. This only applies to designated trails or areas.

The vote was 18 for, 3 opposed, and 1 with reservations or questions. 

12) Changes for the purpose of consistency across forests will not reduce the amount or quality of snowmobile access on each forest.

Vote was 16 for the motion, and 4 opposed.

13**) Carry 2C areas forward into the new forest plan.

The vote was 17 for, and 2 opposed.  May 24

14) Provide loop opportunities for snow cats, auto, trail bikes, and 4-wheelers. Provide ridge access. Provide mountain access.

The vote was 17 for, 3 opposed. May 24

15**) Carry standards forward from Tally Lake and Island Unit.

The vote was 13 in favor, with 3 opposed.   May 24

FOREST PRODUCTS

16) We propose to encourage salvage logging immediately following fire, insect and disease outbreaks, or other forest disturbance, such as blowdowns, when compatible with management area goals, to retain economic value of timber.

The vote was unanimous. June 7

17) We are opposed to implementing the Roadless Area Conservation Rule to this forest plan until all legal actions are resolved and Forest Service Rulemaking is complete (FP-F1-A2). Until then, the current legislation of RARE II should govern activities in inventoried roadless areas.

The group approved the motion, 12 in favor, 2 with reservations or questions, and 1 not voting.  June 7

18) We propose to review National Forest System lands and reclassify their suitability for timber production based on our current knowledge and understanding of integrated resource management, human needs, and public desire.

(DELETE last sentence in FP-F1-A1>> "The number of acres classified as suitable for timber production as an emphasis would probably be less than identified in current forest plans." )

The vote was unanimous. June 7

19) There is no need to exclude the interface from the timber base (FP-F1-A3). Simply include working that exempts the area from stocking levels etc.

The vote was unanimous to accept the motion. June 7

20) The Allowable Sale Quantity (ASQ) should be realistic (FP-F4-A1). In addition to ASQ, we believe a realistic minimum sale quantity, (MSQ) should be established as a Standard. The FNF should commit to making its best effort to achieving that Standard. The use of MSQ by FS would enhance local economies by allowing timber companies a better idea of what to expect for timber supply. The line officers of the USFS would be held accountable to achieve this MSQ.

The vote was 12 for, 2 opposed, one abstaining.  June 7

21) The annual sustained yield of timber volume of the forest should be a true estimation of what the forest is actually capable of growing in all management areas. The estimated number should be readily available to the public and printed in the forest plan to be refined each year as more data becomes available.

The vote was 10 in favor, and one opposed.  June 14

22) More un-even age (all age/multi crown level) management and harvest techniques should be incorporated by the USFS in trying to achieve an overall landscape management approach to the forest. We recognize there will be obvious exceptions to this, such as pure stands of Lodgepole Pine.

The vote was unanimous, all in favor of the motion. June 14

23) The USFS should aggressively use all appropriate tools given to them in the December 2003 HFRA Bill to reduce fuels and the risk of wildfires, with the priority being, but not limited to, the Wildland/Urban Interface.

The vote was unanimous in favor. June 14

24) The Forest Service should fight fires aggressively using all the tools and crews available.

The passing vote was 8 in favor, 3 opposed.   June 14

25) The Forest Service should retain all roads in a condition suitable for emergency use by firefighters.

The vote was 8 in favor, 2 opposed, and one with reservations or questions. June 14

** Note: In a few instances, the statements are unclear. Therefore, in the section below, I have added non-bolded, non-italicized words in parenthesis to clarify the meaning of the statement even though these words were not included in the notes as part of the voted on statements. A reading of the notes will reveal more of the meaning of the statements in question. Gary Hall

6) No net loss of miles of open roads.

Reverse the trend,(from closing roads) to be one of opening roads.

Use seasonal and rotational closures. (Rotational closures means to rotate the roads that are closed every few years – opening some that were closed and closing some that were open)

13) Carry 2C areas (access) forward into the new forest plan.

15) Carry standards (access) forward from (in) Tally Lake and Island Unit.

Compare # 10 with #13 and #15. All three were introduced by Clarence Taber and it was clear at the meeting that he was referring to access standards.

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