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Public Input

 

KIPZ

 

WMPZ

 

Rounds Two
& Three

 

Critique of Amendment 19

 

Our Comments on the Proposed Action 

 

The New Forest Planning Regulations

 

Legislators Host Public Planning

 

Flathead Working Group Final Statements

Whitefish

Flathead Community

Swan Lake

Flathead Forestry Project

 

Working Group Points of Agreement

 

To see the efforts of the other working groups go the planning websites and click on "Public Participation"

 

 

PUBLIC INPUT ROUND TWO

 

 

MANAGEMENT TRENDS

 

 

How To Make Comments on Forest Plans and Projects

PUBLIC INPUT FOR NEW FOREST PLANS 

When the five national forests in Western Montana began their overdue forest plan revisions, they were operating under the 1982 NFMA rule set.  The opening round of public input was conducted under that rule set.  Since then both planning teams have adopted the new rules and published a "starting option" (KIPZ)  and a "preferred option" (WMPZ).  Both planning teams undertook a new round of public meetings to take comment on these options.  

ROUND ONE

The Kootenai and Idaho Panhandle Forests (KIPZ) held public meetings in the spring and summer of 2003 at several locations.  The meetings were open to the public.  At these meetings KNF presented seven general issue topics that need to be addressed in the new plan.  These topics are:Vegetation, Fire Risk, Timber Harvest, Wildlife, Watersheds and Aquatic Species, Inventoried Roadless Areas and Wilderness, and Access and Recreation.  Comments from the public on each of these topics were written down on large flip sheets.  The attendees then placed five stickers next to one or more (up to five) comments they agreed with.  KIPZ has tabulated the results and we have summarized that tabulation. 

ACCESS/RECREATION
More wilderness, less motorized access    --   66

No more wilderness, keep same or more motorized access  --   1209 

IRA/WILDERNESS
More or same wilderness and IRA   --   150

Less Wild/IRA or more access inside same    --   187

TIMBER
Less harvest   --    54

More harvest    --   700

WILDLIFE 
FS management should emphasize/protect wildlife   --    80

Less emphasis/protection for wildlife   --   368  

Complete tabulation of stickered comments

Working groups of volunteers grew out of the original meetings.  The groups worked on statements of "Desired Future Conditions" which the KIPZ planning team intended to use to develop the planning alternatives.  How much importance they meant to give to the work of these groups may never be known.  >>>>Libby DFC statement 

More DFC statements may be seen on the KIPZ website

The Flathead, Bitteroot and Lolo forests have combined to form one planning zone referred to as the WMPZ to develop new forest plans for each forest.  The Bitteroot and Lolo forests held  public planning meetings beginning in the summer of 2003 and lasting for almost a year in some cases.  The meeting minutes and announcements of the meetings are on the WMPZ website 

Working groups were established at Darby, Stevensville, Hamiltion, Superior, and Nine Mile among others. The Flathead  held only one advertised public meeting, which was an open house.  The open house format is only adequate as an informational tool; it does not address the need for comment.  FNF began to establish working groups for public input in late March 04, six months after the first group formed on the other forests.  The public in the Flathead did not have the same opportunity for discussion and interaction on the issues that the affected public on the other forests had.

The original Flathead groups were : 

· Swan Ecosystem Center aka Upper Swan Valley Community Work Group.  After one meeting, attended by MFMU members from around the county,  this group decided to limit participation to residents south of Swan Lake.

· Flathead Forestry Project aka Flathead Forestry Project Work Group  Open to the public, this group meets biweekly.

· Bob Marshall LAC aka Bob Marshall Wilderness Work Group  This group held a meeting in Choteau to decide if they wanted to participate.  We have had no word on the outcome of that meeting as yet.

· North Fork Preservation Assoc. aka North Fork Community Work Group  This group has decided not to participate.

·Whitefish Community Working Group Open to the public, this group met weekly.  This group was started up and supported by the Tally Lake Ranger.

·Two new working groups were started up as a result of our complaints about the fairness and openness of this process.

When I contacted Rachel Potter of NFPA, she told me that their meetings were not open to the public. 

Ashley Mason of Swan Ecosystem Center was cooperative and indicated that the meetings in Condon would be open.  They held one  open meeting and decided to close their meetings to all except the few who live in the Condon area.

The NFPA and the LAC groups did not hold public meetings in Round One.

FFP held several public meetings which were attended by a somewhat diverse group of environmentalists, loggers, forest officials and MFMU members.  

Whitefish held eight well attended meetings.  

Bigfork held 3 or 4 meetings.  These meetings were facilitated by the Bigfork Ranger District.  

Montana Representative Verdell Jackson with the support of other local state legislators held four meetings.  These meetings were the best attended.  

MFMU members attended all of the meetings that were open to the public.  

Originally, these groups were not publicly advertised but that has changed, probably because of complaints from MFMU.  

This is in stark contrast to the process used by the Kootenai NF which adjoins both the Lolo and the Flathead. They held publicly advertised meetings at which they took some input and solicited volunteers for local working groups. 

The KNF told us at the beginning that if we could put together a diverse group that was able to arrive at some agreement on one or more issues, the planning team would try to incorporate that input into the plan. No guarantees but it seemed to promise more than the usual NEPA "send in your comment letters" routine for public input.

In late February, MFMU president, Fred Hodgeboom, sent an email to Lee Kramer, the head planner for WMPZ requesting a series of meetings with the planning team to discuss the revision topics. He agreed to a single two hour meeting while questioning the need for such and pleading a lack of time etc.

Questions:

1. Why didn’t Rob Carlin tell me that they were going to approach these groups when I called him in mid-March. He knew that I am a board member for Montanans For Multiple Use and that we would probably be interested in hosting a work group?

2. Why didn’t Kramer mention that these work groups were going to be started up on Flathead and refer us to Carlin?

3. Why did the Flathead originally work through pre-existing groups (except for the Whitefish group) rather than setting up ad hoc stand alone groups like the Kootenai?  

4. Why were no public access, timber or recreational groups like MFMU asked to host a working group?

5. Why wasn’t there a public announcement of this process and solicitation for members of the public at large to participate?  Update - this problem appears to be improving.

7. Why did the Flathead wait so long to do anything?

8. Why wasn't  the deadline for work group comments delayed so that the work groups in the Flathead could have the same opportunity to make informed comments as the groups on the other two forests? 

9. IS PUBLIC INPUT BEING MANAGED BY FNF TO ACHIEVE A PRE-DETERMINED RESULT?

Legislators Host Planning Group

PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OPPORTUNITY 

Flathead State Legislators* and local officials sponsored a series of workshops (Flathead Community Forest Planning Group) to assist citizens provide input to the  Flathead National Forest so that they may have a reasonable range of viable, legal alternatives to evaluate for revision of the Land and Resource Management Plan (New Forest Plan). 

Listed below are the major points that need pubic input in developing the new forest plan: 

TOPICS: 

Fire Prevention                                    Forest plan revision Process

Roads                                                     Recreation opportunities                  

Forest Management                         Timber Harvest and methods

Endangered Species Recovery 

ACTION PLAN: 

·      Identify Desired Future Conditions

·       Identify strategies to achieve Desired Future Conditions 

Place:  Flathead County Fairground-Kitchen

The series of meetings were successfully completed and the input submitted to the Forest Service.  

PUBLIC MEETING PLAN 

These meetings used a workshop format, with emphasis on sharing and promoting public understanding of information.  Forest Service staff were on hand to review and interpret monitoring data, timber inventories, scientific studies, and other such information they believe is important for public understanding of current conditions, problems and opportunities relevant to the plan.  The public was permitted to ask questions and contribute statements verbally or in writing relevant to desired future conditions of the forest and strategies to achieve the desired future conditions. 

 Each workshop concluded with requests for information to bring to the next workshop. 

* Representatives:    Verdell Jackson, Rod Bitney, John Brueggeman, Dee Brown, George Everett, Stan Fisher, Rick Maedje, Bernie Olson, Bob Lawson, Stan Fisher, Doug Mood (Speaker of the House).

Senators:  Greg Barkus,  Aubyn Curtiss, Bob Depratu, Jerry O’Neil, Bob Keenan (President of the Senate).

 

ROUND ONE of public meetings and working groups is over.  Our statements and comments have been sent to the planning teams.  
PLEASE STAY TUNED AND STAY INVOLVED

WORKING GROUP PAPERS

WHITEFISH    SWAN LAKE   FLATHEAD FORESTRY   FLATHEAD COMMUNITY

  POINTS OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THESE GROUPS

The meeting notes for Round One and Round Two are posted on the KIPZ and WMPZ websites.

>>>GO TO ROUND TWO

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